Halloween 3D Gets Greenlight, But What About Scream 5?

Scream (1996) and John Carpenter’s Halloween (1978) are, of course, forever linked: Scream was Kevin Williamson’s love letter to Halloween and its success lead to Halloween H20 (1998), masterminded by Williamson and chock-full of Scream influence. Both original movies spawned a multi-year slasher wave.

Our fellow screamers at Shock Till You Drop have reported Dimension Films’ announcement of Halloween 3D‘s release date – October 26, 2012. The first two Halloween films in the remake continuity were by Rob Zombie, but it’s unclear who’s working on part 3. Director Patrick Lussier (Scream 1-3 editor) and writer Todd Farmer (My Bloody Valentine 3D) submitted a draft but are now pin-deep in the Hellraiser reboot. Their script centered on Michael Myers stalking Laurie Strode in a mental asylum. Afterwards other writers were invited to pitch, but then the Weinsteins made it known they were pulling the plug on the project which is why this news is somewhat of a shock.

What worries me is the nagging feeling Scream 5 should have been announced instead. Scream is supposed to be Dimension’s big ticket horror franchise and now that it’s back in the public consciousness cloud, you’d expect them to capitalize. Unless those domestic numbers scared them off so they’ve moved onto their secondary slasher franchise?

Wes Craven is rightfully enjoying a much-needed vacation right now, one he has been mentioning for months. That plus the contract clause that a suitable script needs to be presented to him before he jumps on board Scream 5 means that the beginning of pre-production was always going to be late this year at the very earliest. And doing the math for a one year turnaround time like Scream 4, that would put Scream 5‘s release date as late 2012. October would have been the absolute earliest. And ideal.

These deets don’t explain why Scream 5 hasn’t been announced yet. Dimension often announce release dates in the early stages of development – or in some cases well before. It’s a process that caused script problems for every Scream sequel. Perhaps they’re kicking the norm and won’t greenlight until the script is right and Craven signs, but more likely there are just no specific plans at all right now. It’ll happen when it happens.

Will you be watching Halloween 3D in October next year?

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  1. Perhaps they’re waiting to see sales figures for the DVD and Blu-Ray before deciding on a fifth film.

    Personally, I’m doubtful we’ll see a Scream 5. It’s chances relied heavily on the financial success of Scream 4 and unfortunately, it didn’t happen.

    I’d love to see #5, but I think it is unlikely.

  2. Well it makes sense if Wes is out of contact away on holiday. I doubt they would do anything unless they had figured out for sure whether he was up for it or not.

  3. As an employee of The Weinstein Company I can assure fans to just be patient and wait.

  4. Will this be a direct sequel to Rob Zombie’s crappy movies? Or another reboot?

    Halloween 3D, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D…
    Well, I think is good for us that Scream 5 hasn’t been announced yet. Let that movies show the “bosses” that 3D won’t save them from crapiness, and then we can get Scream 5 in olf fashioned 2D.

    And that means more time for Kevin to write it.

  5. I don’t know about October being an ideal release date for any Scream movie. I kinda like the fact that they always come out at odd times like Christmas and Spring, and that they don’t rely on it being Halloween time to cash in (like most horror movies these days).

  6. I’m glad Halloween 3D got announced, Because Halloween 2 fell to 39m worldwide from Halloween 2007’s 80m worldwide and they still greenlight a 3rd film.

    So theres more hope for Scream 5.

    I dont care if its in 3D or not, you can still go see it in 3d or 2d.

  7. I really just want a S5 if Kirby is brought back.

  8. I believe it will happen, harvey winstien, said that he was happy with the worldwide gox office and really thinks it will happen, Neve, courtney, and david, all said they would love to do a fith, Wes also said he would want to, but that he is taking a break, what more do you need? lol I think it will take a while to be greenlit though

  9. I don’t think I want craven back, I thing scream needs a real reboot, after cursed, let me in and the rush s4 I’m not a fan anymore, and it can’t be always the Weinstein’s fault.
    Check out this early version of the script form scream 3 I like it a lot more than the actual film
    http://www.stillscreaming.com/scream/trilogy/scripts/scream3_early_version.html

  10. I dont understand why the next halloween is going to be in 3d thats just makes no sense…
    but i really hope that they do make S5 it would be extremely stupid if they didnt because the ending of S4 is pretty much a cliffhanger because it leaves wondering happens next…i also think that Dimension studios should wait till S5 is in production to announce anything that why nothing is leaked

  11. No! Don’t mess with Halloween anymore,please! And to give it a 3D treatment? Heeeeeeeellllll naw! I just pray that they won’t do the same to 5cream…whenever they get around to it

  12. Even if I would love to see a Scream 5, I don’t know if that would be good for the franchise… We waited so long for Scream 4 that I took it as a one last thrill before the end, like every killer being shot one last time at the end of all Scream, to make sure they’re dead!

    Anyway, if they do it, 3D seems totally inappropriate to me… But in those times who know…

  13. I think they are just still trying to figure out what to do with Scream. I dont think it’s dead but I’m also not sure if we will get a 5 or if they will just start over will a new cast and new story all together. As for Halloween 3D…gross! The remake and H2 were dreadful so if they are going in the white trash hillbilly direction again then just boo!

  14. I’m excited for Halloween 3D but not at the premise but because we’re getting another film. I always wanted them to continue with the Bianca Kaglich storyline set up in H8 but I guess that isn’t happening. Halloween is one of the few horror movies that remains scary even if the plot line itself is stupid.

    As for Scream 5 I rather they wait. I hate to have another F13 part 5/Halloween 5 on my hands.

  15. Best news ever! I will definitely be there opening night for Halloween 3D. Love both Zombie’s H1 & H2. As for Scream 5, I would like to see it, only if it turns out as good as the first 3. But other than that, I think they need to end the Scream franchise and work on new and original ideas.

  16. @ Rocky, I also agree on the Bianca Kaglich storyline. I actually enjoyed Resurrection because of her.

  17. This just better happen. I would be SO excited for a third Halloween flick, so long as they can get Scout and Tyler back.

  18. Oh and if they make the mistake of recasting again, like they did for young Myers in H2, I’m out. Either get the same cast or change/nix the story entirely.

  19. Anyone else notice that the Scream series is going in a similar direction as the Halloween franchise. Think about, we have the first scream being the greatest, a sequel that is almost as good as the first, a thrid movie that is considered the worst, and a fourth that came out a few years after the third. Now we might have a fifth that will come out next year. Sound familiar!!

  20. I really just want Scream 5!!! I will watch Halloween 3DD but I actually enjoyed Rob Zombies Halloween movies.

  21. Floppy- Halloween 3D will be a bit of both. It’s a sequel to the RZ films but it supposedly goes back to the original in tone.

  22. And I don’t know why people keep bringing up Scream 4’s box office for a reason S5 not to be made. Harvey didn’t seem at all fazed about that and seemed confidant about an S5. As a matter of fact he seemed please with it’s overall take.

    But I’m sure someone is going to come yelling that he’s delusional because we just love being negative around here. *rolls eyes*

  23. The Weinsteins have to see SCREAM 4’s home video sales before making a decision for a possible sequel for Scream.

    For wicked-scribe to be shocked at the Weinsteins going forward with Halloween as an investment but not SCREAM 5 is perplexing, especially knowing Scream 4 didn’t perform well at the box office. I think there must have been a fan junkies blind faith that these successful money making producers would be stupid enough to greenlit another sequel that didn’t meet their expectations.

    Scream 4’s production budget was 40 million dollars to make, and as some may know that the Weinsteins make these films primarily for an american/ domestic audience. The film failed to break even on the domestic box office only grossing 38,146,273 based on estimates by Box Office mojo. Studio heads don’t normally green light sequels for a film when they didn’t make their money back. The film did quite well in the foreign market but the market itself is questionable since it’s success is based upon different translations of the film and those markets receive those profits first before the Weinsteins see a dime from that success. So as of this point they have a flop and to recoop they have to wait and see the results from domestic distributions, broadcast/cable companies who may want to telecast the film and the home video sales. In any case it has to be HUGELY desired before the Weinsteins can pull the trigger for a possible Scream 5. Something H2 has accomplished.

    As much as I disliked Rob Zombie’s Halloween and I never cared to see it’s sequel, the film’s prod. budget was 15 million dollars to make. The sequel ended up grossing, according to box office mojo, 33,392,973–a success for the Weinsteins since they make films primarily for domestic audiences and secondary for foreign markets where the film didn’t do so well at all. The fact that the sequel did so well at the box office and garnered a huge deal of money with home video sales in the United States it was only a matter of time the Weinsteins would greenlit a sequel. Again I’m surprised by the article written by wicked-scribe.

    One thing I have learned from Scream 4 were the hefty raises the returning performers and the director gained from Scream 4, it seems it raised the budget by 50%. If there’s a sequel, some may have to reduce their salaries or finally bite the dust. On twitter, Kevin Williamson has been mute on the Scream topics, he probably don’t want to express any of the politics going on with the production, but I hope he and the Weinsteins make up so he could be involved with a reboot of the Scream franchise with a hot new young inspiring horror director.

    There’s no doubt SCREAM will return to the box office, but whether the original stars and it’s lack luster director will return is.

  24. i think the reason the box office didnt faze him cuz he was beat by a talking a bird tht kids drahhed there parents into and there older siblings into and they cldnt take a 7 year old or 3 year old into a movie has like 36 f bombs

  25. Harvey said Scream’s final gross would be around 110 million. Harvey is an idiot. It won’t gross that on THIS planet. Scream 4 hasn’t even made its budget back in America and hasn’t crossed the 100 million dollar mark internationally. Most likely, it won’t.

  26. Dear yago: that was a fan script written a week after Scream 3 came out on DVD.

  27. “with a reboot of the Scream franchise with a hot new young inspiring horror director”

    LMAO Wtf? Seriously? A scream without Wes? Hot new young director? You sound just like an industry suit with his head up his butt.

    I love how people around here feel the need to point their fingers when they don’t like something.

    Freaking hilarious.

  28. And when this “hot new young inspiring horror director” falls flat on his ass, then what? Hire another hot new your inspiring horror director and keep doing it until the series is six feet under?

    Brilliant plan.

  29. I completely agree with Khy. Stephon Irvin, I don’t know if you realize this, but Wes Craven is a HUGE part why SCREAM is such a ground-breaking franchise . . . Ass.

  30. LMAO Wtf? Seriously? A scream without Wes? Hot new young director? You sound just like an industry suit with his head up his butt.

    @Khy You sound like a naive child who’s in deep denial that Scream 4 didn’t perform well. A company doesn’t invest so much money for a movie to NOT BREAK EVEN. The last two films has become an exercise for him. This is normal for sequels that run out of ideas, a new director and writing team could bring something new to the table that Wes no longer has. If the Weinsteins do opt to do it again, the cost for the film has to be more money, applicable to that years current currency.

    As I’ve mentioned before I have no doubt that Scream will return because the franchise has grossed a lot of money especially the first two films. When Dimension was part of DISNEY the home video sales were lucrative. Breathing new life to a franshise is common in business, and based on the numbers from Scream 4, there will be a lot of thinking to do considering another sequel. If the home video sales don’t do well, then I bet we won’t be seeing another Scream for awhile, and Wes will surely be out.

  31. Oh yes, we must remember that Wes cant do no wrong. Cursed was amazing and i watch My Soul to take weekly. Yeah, sorry, the main problem everyone has had with the 4 was that half of it was ripped out, and that was done by Wes, he edited the movie himself, the studio did not make him take anything out. So yeah Wes might have started out making a huge ground-breaking franchise but he is also the one that made 3 and 4 wont go down in history as “great” movies.

  32. @ Josh, I don’t deny that Wes had a lot to do with Scream’s success, but it’s clear you can’t see that he’s also responsible for it’s failures. Isn’t Scream 4 enough? Would you really want your favorite franchise to spiral down further from what it was? Maybe Scream 4 should be it, that film kind of went full circle.

  33. @GalesTurn
    WTF, dude SCREAM 4 was a great movie! And yeah Wes Craven cut some stuff out but im sure he had great reasons for doing it. As a fan i was mad about it. And Cursed is a different story. Stop bitching about THAT movie because THAT movie isnt SCREAM douche bag!

    @Stephon Irvin
    I see what you are saying and i do see that Wes is responsible for SCREAMs failures but so are other people who were working on it. Im sure its not Wes’s fault that Ehren Kruger wrote SCREAM 3. And its not his fault that KW was too busy with the Vampire Diaries to fully work on SCREAM 4. At first i was fine with just leaving it at SCREAM 4 but i feel like Kevin Williamson along with Wes Craven can make the franchise into something so much bigger than whatbit already is. I think that if they work really hard they can achieve something much greater. Think about it. Life is all about takig chances and i think they should definately go for another trilogy. I think that people will come around now that SCREAM is back and in their heads. They could possibly save the horror genre again from the shitty state its in now. Even though SCREAM 4 didnt do so hot i feel that Kevin and Wes can really do something big with two final movies

  34. I have lost faith in Wes Craven. Scream 5 is his last shot for me. Scream 4 was brilliant in ways but Craven couldn’t deliver a fright fest like he’s most known for. And as for h3. . . It cud be okay. . . But I hate Todd Farmer

  35. Just as long as Rob Zombie isn’t involved, sure, I’ll watch “Halloween 3D.” I liked Zombie’s remake but the 2009 sequel was just plain unwatchable. Loud and seizure-inducing — I just can’t go through that again.

  36. can’t wait for Halloween 3 but hope they go in a different direction after the awful Rob Zombie movies, I would love a sequel to the original series mainly Halloween 6.
    With regards to Scream 5, it’s way too early to greenlight a fifth movie, in fairness it only came out 2 months ago and hasn’t quite finished its cinema run worldwide, and its close to breaking 100 million and i’d bet it will make a killing on dvd. If a fifth movie is made, either go back to December release date of October/November because April does not work, it’s not a great time for horror movies, for me anyway.

  37. @Josh
    SCREAM 4 was no SCREAM either! And douche bag, really? Because someone doesn’t agree with you and think SCREAM 4 was a “great” movie ,and the fact that it is rated at 57% on RT shows many agree that it’s not a “great” movie? Im thinking you should stop worrying about the fate of SCREAM and possibly grow up a bit.

  38. @GalesTurn, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  39. Scream 4 was a great movie IMO it’s just too bad that it was a finacial disappointment in the US.I think Scream 5 will get the green light but only if Wes and the trio agree to return.

  40. @GalesTurn
    u just became more of a douche bag …

  41. @yago im disagree with you totally. if you get a new director then the franchise looses its appeal. and it is the only mainstream horror franchise to include the same core cast and director and production team to be incorporated in all 4 films and thats why i love it, because everyone involved has been there since the original scream so they all want the same thing (on most pages) so getting a new director would ruin it, this is wes’s baby. but one thing we do agree is scream needs a “reboot” but not really, more on the lines of making it somewhat like the original

  42. Okay so whoever said get a new director for the Scream movies needs some education in film. Wes Craven is Scream, dont get me wrong there would be no movie without Kevins writing but Wes makes Scream what it is a slasher, thrilling on your seat horror movie. Hes one of the best, the reason the Scream movies make us jump or cringe is because of Wes. No Wes no Scream. Now on to the second order of buisness, i wasnt exactly thrilled with Scream 4. Dont get me wrong it was a very good movie, but it could of been better. If Kevin wouldnt of left half way through, and if those scenes wouldnt of been deleted it would of been a better movie. Lets just hope they learn from the mistakes and Scream 5 kicks major Scream ass lol.

  43. if we can have a final destination 5 why not scream 5! HUH?

  44. GalesTurn, This isn’t about Cursed and My Soul To Take, this is about SCREAM!

    Why can’t you people get that through your heads? Unless Cursed and MSTT have been adopted into the franchise as sequels, then they have no business being brought up into this conversation!

    I never said Wes can do no wrong, NO ONE is perfect, not even your precious Kevin. I could easily sit back on my ass and talk about Kevin’s past flops but what the FUCK does that have to do with SCREAM?

    I’ll tell you honey bunch- Not a goddamn thing.

    I’m not even a Wes Craven fan. I’m only judging by the Scream movies(which is what we should be judging by, not some movie from 2005) and so far I’ve been satisfied with what he brought to the table.

    This is what some of you people have to understand- NOT EVERYONE DISLIKED SCREAM 4.

    Is that so hard to get?

    Not everyone wants to kill Wes. A LOT OF US ACTUALLY LOVED IT. So what about us? Do we supposed to just sit on the sidelines while you knuckle-heads go petitioning for the removal of Wes-the guy who was the reason we loved the film?

    That’s extremely selfish. I just want to know why Scream fans can’t just say “Hey, yeah, I hated S4. But oh well, maybe the next will be better”, why do we have to be assholes and go blaming EVERYONE. Seriously, I sound like a naive child but blaming everyone from Wes on down to the janitor all because YOU didn’t like the movie is mature? LMAO.

    Stephon Irvin, Bring in your new hot director and new hot writing team and see won’t this series sink faster than a cement block. Not EVERY franchise is meant to be handled by people other than those who made it. These movies need a certain touch that only Wes/Kevin can provide.

    Whatever. You don’t get it. None of you get it. Sad thing is I’m probably younger than most of you and even I have more sense about this.

    I only hope none of you EVER take over this series.

  45. I’m very happy about Halloween 3D getting greenlit. It shows me there’s still hope for slasher horror in theaters. Well that and the combination of Leatherface 3D. I think it’s safe to say there will be a Scream 5, but I along with others think that the weinsteins will probably wait until it comes out on video to see how it does before they make any major decisions.

  46. I think they haven’t greenlit scream 5 yet just because they have other stuff on their mind. I mean, why would they greenlight it before scream 4 even comes out on DVD?

  47. I honesty think there are more people who saw Scream 4 and loved it but they aren’t as vocal as the ones who didn’t like it.All my friends loved it and they told everyone they knew to go watch it but they aren’t as vocal in their praise of it as the people who didn’t like Scream 4 and bash it. I have noticed a lot of people who didn’t like it seem to blame Emma Roberts as the main reason they didn’t like it. I don’t think that’s fair but they are allowed their opnion.I honesty thought Emma was fantastic for someone who never had played a character like Jill before.Like I said in a earlier post It would be great If scream 5 gets the green light but KW needs to write the script and Wes and the trio need to return.

  48. @Khy – perfect post.

    What even is funny is that all this buzz about Scream 5 is helping with spreading the word even though it’s not greenlight yet.

  49. I could see Scream without W Craven, and no Cursed should not be compared to Scream but you can compare scream 3 and scream 4 to Scream. Alot of people think the franchise seems to be going downhill from the first two. IMO it definitely took a dive with 3 but 4 was better, but still not in caliber with the first two (IMO)

  50. “I could see Scream without W Craven”

    Un huh, me too, but what I see scares the shit out of me.

  51. I’m thrilled for Halloween 3D finally greenlit it had been over a year.Since it was originally announced to happen and from what i’ve heard. Director Patrick Lussier and writer Todd Farmer want to take the third film. Back to Carpenter’s roots which I welcome 100% Rob Zombie’s two films were interesting. But I didn’t like the f-bombs every five seconds and homeless Michael Myers. Michael Myers doesn’t wear a hoodie I say for the third film.Give Michael a new mask,make him supernatural,and start the introduction of Michael trying to kill Laurie.

    As for Scream 5 people need to take a step back here I believe it will happen. But it’s only been two months since it was in theaters. From what Wes Craven said he’s going to take a little break to recharge. My guess we probally won’t hear news of it until sometime next year.

  52. @Khy, I completely agree. As far as some people thinking that the Scream series is going down hill now i don’t think so at all. Sure after the third one i could see some people thinking that but not after scream 4 its by far the best sequel as of now unless they make any more. On to scream 5 not really having any news yet i think that’s because they don’t want to rush into it which is good thing. Then again waiting is what really hurt scream 4 ( i still think it did good overall ) but i highly doubt they would wait even close to that amount of time before releasing a scream 5 lol. Probably by the end of this year possibly the beginning of next year we will get some news about it. I think if scream 5 does get the green light it should come out in 2013 because 2012 kind of seems a bit rushed. As much as i would like to see it as soon as possible i don’t want it to be rushed either that’s why i think 2013 is the perfect time for them to release it into theaters.

  53. Will I be watching Halloween 3D next year? To be crude, Fuck No. After the ludicrously-named Rob Zombie’s abortions, in which almost everyone is awful and he took his love affair with real life serial killers to the series (cos this depressing dreariness is Kool… if you’re a particularly thick adolescent. Whoa, it’s so “Real” and “meaningful”!) I have no interest in it. That said None of the Halloween sequels are very good, and to be fair Zombie’s remake was better than such shitola as Curse and Resurrection. I wonder if anyone thinks Halloween Resurrection is a better film than Scream 4? I’ll get my laugh in now – Bwahahaha, yer crazy as a loon! Ho! Ho! Sorry, that was rude. (snickers)

  54. Ya’ know, if #SCRE4M was actually Good, Word if mouth would have gotten out making the masses flock to theaters near and far to see what all the “fuss” was about, like the the ORIGINAL #SCREAM. That movie started off small but later built and pretty much shattered everyone’s expectations and not just the “b!g” guys but critics and fans alike. As much as I hate to say it and please believe me that it pains me to say this but SCRE4M just Sucked! It was a let Down it really was. I mean where’d all of the money go for close-up shots and the Realistic effects for the un-eventful, suspensless, cornet one-lined scenarios they wanna pass off as deaths! Mind you this is a SLASHER Film! So where in tarnation is the slashing? Would it harm them to show u’s thee “goods”? Especially when we have films like SAW who don’t skimp on anything other than an interesting story-line perhaps? Ha ha. The casting off Emma Roberts! Another MISTAKE, I like her I really do but homegirl needs to go take a few acting classes before she can even be considered as a lead especially in a SCREAM film which is near and Oooh so very dear to my <3. I'm just saying how hard is it to make a good slasher flick? You've got piles of money laying around! U give u's this crappy sequel after 11years? That's the best Dimension can do? And you expect people to drive out in groves to see this? Lol sounds like a really bad joke to me. :)

  55. @Ed You ripped Scream 4 a new butt hole and not once did you stop to think. That this film is just the beginning of something better in a trilogy. I myself loved Scream 4 yes it had it’s problems,but it was far better than Scream 3.

    Myself I looked at Scream 4 as simply a huge teaser, to an evolving story assuming Scream 5 & 6 happen.With a film like this that has the idea of a trilogy in mind. I want everything to build and take it’s time much like the first three. If they gave us the best in Scream 4 then how could they top it in Scream 5?

  56. Well thats not the route SCREAM took, who has money to waste on a film for a “build up”? You can keep someones intrest for Sooo long and I mean Collins on, 11 YEARS they had in between films and that’s the best they could come up with? The whole thing seemed a bit rushed atleast when it came to filming. it’s missing those key ingredients that make up SCREAM, where was the BIG Name Opening death sequence? Surely they could have topped that opening, I mean thie ideas !!! They just lke chumped out. I don’t know the reason I just want the NEXT FILM to be a HE’LL of a lot better than #SCRE4M

  57. I’m sad Halloween has gone down the road of 3-d which it doesn’t need. RZ’s Halloween was great, but there was no need for a sequel, and if they try to follow the first 2 films by Zombie, and do a 3rd movie it’ll do worser. I want the Michael Myers back from Carpenter’s franchise. I want JLC… if they do this, then, and ONLY THEN will they revive Michael Myers. FFS! :(

  58. @Hal – your comment on Halloween: Resurrection cracked me up!

    @Daniel – Make Michael Myers supernatural? Really? And START the introduction of him trying to kill Laurie?? What’s he been doing all this time if he’s not already been trying to kill her?

    So I’m one of these people who really like Zombie’s Halloweens 1 & 2. Loved how sinister they were. I think he was clever to spend a third of H1 developing the story of Myers as a lunatic child and I also liked how dark H2 was. I thought the fact that Zombie totally altered the story of H2 was brilliant and I liked how he turned Myers into this hooded, dirty drifter. As the original Halloween franchise went on (and on) Myers became increasingly unscary. He was too clean-cut in his blue boiler suit and crisp white, all too “William Shatner-like” mask. I loved how Zombie brought the series into the naughties and grimed it up nicely. Yeah, H2 was almost a little too grimy (particularly Laurie’s filthy bathroom and the most unappetizing scene I’ve ever witnessed where people eat pizza) but it was so atmospheric. That’s what makes horror films horrific. They’re supposed to unnerve you. This is why I’m excited that they’re continuing the rebooted franchise. If that’s what they’re doing, that is. In an ideal world, they’d bring back Scout Taylor-Compton and even Rob Zombie and not make it in 3D. Sadly, it would seem that the latter two won’t be the case.

    As for S5 not being green lit yet – well, I’d rather they take their time if it means making it a great film. I’m someone who believes that S4 was worth the wait. I don’t think they should take too long over it – release the DVD, get Kevin on the script, get Wes and the trio to sign on and get it made by, say, Autumn 2013. No 3D, no new director, try and outdo S4 – done!

  59. I think it’s just because they’re working on other projects for now and it’s still too early. I can see it happening though and I can’t wait! I love all the Scream movies! :) Scream 4 may not have been as successful as 1,2 and 3 but it still did well for a fourquel. Without Wes or the orginal trio it would have sucked and I don’t believe any of the other movies would have been a success if it wasn’t for Wes. He can never be replaced!

    Yeah, I’m looking forward to Halloween 3D but I hope it isn’t directed by Rob Zombie. His Halloween 1 was good but Halloween 2 in my opinion was just awful. The only part of the movie that I found scary was the beginning and the rest just seemed to drag on.

  60. @drewjobullo, why thank you, sir, happy to be of help!

  61. @drewjobullo – I don’t know what version you saw of Rob Zombie’s Halloween 1 & 2. But I did not see Michael Myers as an immortal killer at all. Zombie’s Michael Myers didn’t even take on attacks from other characters. Unless you count the small scene in the remake with the two cops.

    The end of the original the bullet to the side of the head.Was written off like it just grazed him,but as for the end of H2. There is no choice but to have Michael become supernatural. As for the other point on Laurie Strode don’t give me that bullshit. That Michael’s been trying to kill Laurie in the past two films.

    Rob Zombie made it clear Michael’s stalking of Laurie is very straight forward. He wants to reunite his family up to now he hasn’t even tried to kill Laurie. So Paul and Todd will use what Rob started with,but take it back to Carpenter’s formula Fix what Zombie screwed up put Michael,Laurie,and Loomis back. To what made them great write up a decent if not great story. And most importantly throw in Carpenter’s style of music.

  62. @Daniel – I saw the versions that were released obviously. And what I saw was Zombie setting up the story by projecting MM as a disturbed child who grew up into a disturbed man. As a kid he kills a boy in his school, his stepfather, sister and sister’s boyfriend and then spends the rest of H1 & H2 murdering recklessly. So yeah, I do see him as a killer.

    Yes, it will be hard to bring him back after H2 without making him supernatural but sorry, its just a pet peeve of mine when slasher franchises do that to their human killers. I believe it alters the effect the killer is meant to have. Can you imagine ghostface as an actual ghost?? Urgh. I simply hope they’re clever and find a way to avoid going in that direction. I certainly wouldn’t say that there’s “no choice but to have Michael become supernatural”. Look at how they handled the beheading of MM and bringing him back between H20 & Resurrection – I personally think that was clever.

    And as for Laurie – I interpreted H2 as MM trying to “reunite” Laurie with him and his mother. And as his mother is dead I suspect the idea was to kill her and then himself so that they can all be together again in death. He has visions of his mother and himself as a child – both of which had Laurie in their lives when she was a baby. I always saw it as him trying to put them all back together again, as they were. Perhaps you’ll find loopholes in that theory but I’ve only seen H2 about 3 times and didn’t take notes I’m afraid. If you think my theory is bullshit then fine, go for it, but we obviously interpreted it differently. Personally I don’t think Myers plans on reuniting his family by finding Laurie and setting up house with her to live happily ever after as big bro and little sis (with an annual seance thrown in to contact their mother at Christmas).

  63. @Ed, I completely agree with you 1000%. Is it so hard to come up with something so damn good after 11 years? To me, it was pointless and a waste of a film. Hopefully they make Scream 5 so they can easily top Scream 4. But for now, Halloween 3D is the way to go. Now this movie will have suspense and lots of slashing. :)

  64. I definitely would love to have a Scream 5 & 6 movie in the near future. Halloween3D sounds interesting. As I have mentioned previously. I am not a fan of the 3D movies. I do love the Halloween movies though. Not the Rob Zombie ones. There is nothing worse than having a giant Michael Myers who stands nearly 7 ft tall just standing outside in the daylight and no one notices. I mean… WTF? The story sucked also (my opinion). Guess I’m old school. I loved the original and the movies that followed, except for Halloween 3 Season of the Witch. That’s even worse than the Rob Zombie ones.

  65. Khy and Matthew, I’m glad to see there are still adolescent fans who will take whatever the filmmaker gives them. No matter how belittling the material is on your own intelligence. Then again maybe Scream 4 is what you deserve considering Wes Craven hasn’t done a good Scream movie since 1997. GalesTurn is correct to mention his previous films because it’s related to the recent Scream film, it wasn’t good and it wasn’t successful at the box office.

    Kevin Williamson has made some pretty bad films yes, but Ehren Kruger is the major league of bad writers– his work doesn’t have any substance. He does have a knack in boosting a character with overrated stack of dialogue so adolescent minds can cling to, but most of the time it overshadows the main character. How many of you continue to dream that Kirby is alive–as if she’s part of the Scream franchise. It’s not your fault, it belongs to the writer and Wes Craven who are no longer interested in Sidney.

    This is nothing new Kruger’s disinterest started with Scream 3 and his work is muddied all over Kevin’s work on Scream 4.

    As for Wes, his resume as of late is poor, he seems to blame others for his failures. This is person who can write and has written a lot of features–he can read and he can visualize the written word to the screen. He should’ve known that the audience interest MUST be invested in the heroine Sidney Prescott but strags on these other characters including fan favorite Kirby to nothing but smart aleck comments.

    Wes had final cut, and he chose to leave all the material that would have strengthen these characters on the cutting room floor. You guys don’t think this blunder effected the movie as a result to the poor box office? You guys really want MORE? Of course with the clearly dead Kirby in tow for your teen boy fantasy.

  66. @Stephon Irvin, How is Cursed and My Soul to Take related to the Scream series other then the fact that they all are horror movies and we’re made by the same director lol none of them are alike. I don’t know why people keep playing the blaming game especially about ehren kruger he hardly did anything on scream 4. I mean come on blaming him for every little thing you disliked is just odd to me when it’s kevin williamson who wrote most it so maybe he isn’t as perfect as you guys thought lol. Scream 4 was a success not huge but a success nonetheless making 95 million at least perhaps a little more. Even better the series as a whole had a budget at 119 million and it’s gross revenue is 601 million and it will be a lot more if they make scream 5 and 6. So it’s still very successful as a series.

  67. @Daniel – I saw the versions that were released obviously. And what I saw was Zombie setting up the story by projecting MM as a disturbed child who grew up into a disturbed man. As a kid he kills a boy in his school, his stepfather, sister and sister’s boyfriend and then spends the rest of H1 & H2 murdering recklessly. So yeah, I do see him as a killer.

    Yes, it will be hard to bring him back after H2 without making him supernatural but sorry, its just a pet peeve of mine when slasher franchises do that to their human killers. I believe it alters the effect the killer is meant to have. Can you imagine ghostface as an actual ghost?? Urgh. I simply hope they’re clever and find a way to avoid going in that direction. I certainly wouldn’t say that there’s “no choice but to have Michael become supernatural”. Look at how they handled the beheading of MM and bringing him back between H20 & Resurrection – I personally think that was clever.

    And as for Laurie – I interpreted H2 as MM trying to “reunite” Laurie with him and his mother. And as his mother is dead I suspect the idea was to kill her and then himself so that they can all be together again in death. He has visions of his mother and himself as a child – both of which had Laurie in their lives when she was a baby. I always saw it as him trying to put them all back together again, as they were. Perhaps you’ll find loopholes in that theory but I’ve only seen H2 about 3 times and didn’t take notes I’m afraid. If you think my theory is bullshit then fine, go for it, but we obviously interpreted it differently. Personally I don’t think Myers plans on reuniting his family by finding Laurie and setting up house with her to live happily ever after as big bro and little sis (with an annual seance thrown in to contact their mother at Christmas).

  68. Matthew, you’re not the only one who gets confused at how the movie revenue works. You’re looking at the film’s gross worldwide, which to you, gives it a good light, but domestic gross and foreign gross are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

    Studios have to market the film separately by hiring a team to translate, input sub-titles and commercials for FIVE continents. The gross is 58 million. Do you really believe that total covers the cost the Weinsteins invested for Scream 4?

    Foreign grosses normally ever cover the cost for a struggling film unless it makes triple than expected like Disney’s ON STRANGER TIDES. Scream 4 needed to at least make it’s 40 million domestic budget or greater to warrant another picture– IT DID NEITHER–the film was struggling to keep it’s audience the first week at the box office and didn’t even finish first. It’s second week the film dropped a staggering 62%.

    This means the loyalists went in droves the first week, word of mouth spread that the film is typical Wes Craven movie making and general audience members hate what Wes does. Basically has zero respect for the audience by making a very stupid, incoherent, and predictable films.

    CURSED budget was 38 million, similar issues were talked about before and during production like Scream 4, and the movie ended up grossing a meager 19 million dollars.

    Similar issues with My Soul To Take, 25 million budget and earns 14 million. Wes blames everyone except himself for these disasters, there needs to be a point where he looks into the mirror and blame himself for these failures. He’s the director.

    It relates to the subject matter because history is repeating itself again where the budget was 40 million dollars and the film domestically earned 38 million. This is not a success, which every movie report and analyst have stated in articles.

    I follow Kevin Williamson on Twitter, he was inviting on the process of developing Scream 4 and then sometime last year while production was going Kevin wish the production the best of luck because he was out and he was continuing his vampire diaries thing. Then EW and other reports were exposing the troubled shoot.

    YES, Kevin has made bad films and he’s written a lot of stinkers but I know his style when deals with characters. He writes characters with substance, a background and I’m sure based on the deleted scenes section of this forum there were such character driven material that were edited out WITH NO INTERFERENCE FROM THE WEINSTEINS.

    Ehren Kruger doesn’t write material or characters with substance, it’s not his style. His strength is writing juvenile dialogue, and insulting sub-plots that lead nowhere but to keep a film going. Look at Scream 3 and the Transformers movies for examples of terrible writing. It’s not a secret that Ehren Kruger came to rewrite the movie, which two actors openly were critical about it. Lauren Graham left because of this, and everyone’s favorite victim KIRBY played by Hayden Panettiere was the most vocal about the revisions.

    There is still hope. Home Video sales and domestic tv/cable distribution if profitable could green light another movie, but I doubt it at this point. Scream 4 seemed like an appropriate ending and time and time again Wes has recycled ideas that are tired at this point. I don’t doubt that Scream will return but possibly in another form.

  69. @Stephon Irvin, I couldn’t agree with you more.
    Scream4 might have worked on staying true to the franchise but it lacked originality and suspense.
    I think craven has given us everything he has, when it comes to scream at lease, it needs a real reboot, I guess some fans need another mediocre scream to realize this.

  70. @Stephon Irvin, I’m not confused i know all about domestic,foreign, and worldwide gross revenue lol so i knew exactly what i was saying when i said it. I’m a huge movie buff so i look at things like that all the time and Ive even been in one. Well if your comparing money then every movie is related seeing as every movie has a budget and they all make money some more then others. We don’t know how much all that costs but looking at other movies that made a lot less in both domestic and worldwide revenue that are getting sequels and some that already got sequels then yes i believe it cost less then 58 million. Your still going way overboard with the Ehren Kruger stuff sure scream 3 isn’t great but its not bad either and any other movie he has been the writer for is irrelevant same for Kevin Williamson this is about scream lol. The main reason Kevin left was because of his schedule problems with his TV show the vampire diaries and Lauren Graham couldn’t do it because she had a much to busy schedule at the time. I remember Hayden Panettiere talking about that but then she got over it and it all worked out because life moves on. Kevin Williamson still did write most of scream 4 not all but most i don’t know why the people who didn’t like it keep trying to deny that. Wouldn’t you want the scream movies to stay true to the franchise like scream 4 did. Scream 4 isn’t perfect but its still pretty good lol.

  71. I think craven has given us everything he has, when it comes to scream at lease, it needs a real reboot, I guess some fans need another mediocre scream to realize this.

    @yago, then the saying MUST BE TRUE: The more humans populate the earth, THE STUPIDER THEY GET.;-)

  72. Wouldn’t you want the scream movies to stay true to the franchise like scream 4 did. Scream 4 isn’t perfect but its still pretty good lol.

    @matthew, I’ll answer this portion of your comment b/c most of what I read lacks common sense. Scream 4 is a critical(from movie goers and writers), commercial, box office failure. It didn’t even accomplish the most essential gross in it’s own region to warrant a sequel. Scream 4 isn’t perfect and it’s definitely NOT true to the original Scream. Scream never had to rely heavily on a faux movie called STAB to create plot, it actually relied on real story elements like the mystery triangle between Sidney, Cotton, and Sidney’s mother. The murder of Casey Becker, and how it all connects to the string of murders happening at Woodsboro. Gale Weathers questioning Sidney about her recollection of what happened which spawned Sidney to question her instincts as a reliable heroine. Very interesting material, any director could have made a great film out of this. Simply put it’s good!

    Now if you’re saying b/c Wes decided to bring the series back to Woodsboro and the production designers did a decent job replicating the look of the first film makes it true to SCREAM, then it’s becoming clear to me you only like the window dressing, the aesthetics of the lore of Scream. The ghost-face costume, the heavy handed Jack Nicholson voice, the creepy dialogue and the buffoonery from the cast of characters. The credits stating it’s directed by Wes Craven, and Kevin Williamson. If that’s what’s staying true to Scream then no wonder Scream 4 failed at the box office. I’m not calling you a “Sadist” but I’m curious to know what do you mean by staying true to the franchise like scream 4 did???

  73. @stephon irvin, all I can say is WOW! I couldn’t agree with you more and very well written. :)

  74. Daniel wrote: @Ed You ripped Scream 4 a new butt hole and not once did you stop to think. That this film is just the beginning of something better in a trilogy. I myself loved Scream 4 yes it had it’s problems,but it was far better than Scream 3.

    Myself I looked at Scream 4 as simply a huge teaser, to an evolving story assuming Scream 5 & 6 happen.With a film like this that has the idea of a trilogy in mind. I want everything to build and take it’s time much like the first three. If they gave us the best in Scream 4 then how could they top it in Scream 5?

    ***************************************************************

    I scratch my head at this kind of logic, Wes Craven had to make Scream 4 bad so he can make the sequels BETTER???

    Every “Scream” film Wes made, he made them to stand on it’s own merit. Not to depend on another film b/c there’s zero guarantee that another film will be made. The whole trilogy angle is part of the promotional spin for movie goers to invest in the film–not taken seriously. As REAL horror and slasher fans know quite well that this genre NEVER runs in a trilogy.

    WTF, Wes? He is so out of touch.

  75. @stephon irvin, So thats what you’ve come to is it (lacks common sense) it seems like now you are just trying to start a fight and not just with me. I mean seriously so now I see that you are in such denial because you didn’t like it that you will say anything just to deny it and insult people in the process which is what you think it is “sad”. Like how kevin is the writer for most of scream 4 and you trying to make why he left sound way worse then it actually was and the same for lauren. I don’t get why you repeat what people say we know what we said when we said it I see that as pointless and I don’t get why you try to act like a know it all on all of your comments or that fact that nobodies comments make sense to you unless you like them. You can deny it all you want I could care less but kevin is the main writer and if you can’t have a simple discussion about it then don’t start one and don’t tell me what I like about scream 4 because you are way off. I don’t know why you would bring up jack nicholson his voice doesn’t sound like rodger jackson at all other then the fact that they both have a deep voice they are nothing alike. So I ask you this why should I continue discussing this if you are going to act like this.

  76. @Matthew, FIRST off, Rodger Jackson’s voice as the killer sounds like Jack Nicholson to me. SECOND, I’ve stated Lauren Graham and Hayden Panettiere and Kevin Williamson based on the stories I was reading about the troubled shoot last year. I’m a follower of Kevin on twitter, and he was open about the writing process on Scream 4 and then SUDDENLY he wrote he was no longer involved. EW Entertainment Weekly, Empire magazine, and tv programs like HLN and E! broke the story about the trouble shoot. THIRD, I know you like Scream 4, and you believe that a Scream 5 is going to happen even though 4 is a flop. I do understand that Kevin wrote the original script for Scream 4 and gets WGA credit for it, but Ehren Kruger was hired to rewrite the script. This is not new, look online.

    Where I’m coming off with my comments about common sense is based on you claiming you’re into box office grosses and have knowledge about them. If this is so then you would know that when a film is budgeted for 40 million to make and the movie earns less than that in it’s primary audience there will be a long way to go for consideration for another sequel. I’m getting confused by you claiming there were OTHER FILMS in Scream 4’s predictament that were warranted a sequel. What other films? It’s not clear.

    Daniel’s comments just doesn’t make any sense b/c a film has to stand on it’s own, and no way I’ll buy that Wes is saving better material for the sequels.

    What was in Scream 4, to you, that made it true to the franchise?

  77. @stephon irvin, What you think is what you think I don’t have anything against that. When it comes to movies I think everything about them is interesting yes. By predicament you mean making less then 95 million worldwide because it counts as a whole and by that means there is still a good chance at another sequel. Will they make a sequel only time will tell. Why don’t you tell me why it isn’t keeping in line with the rest of the franchise. Yes there is many things that factor in to making sequels but why are you seeing scream 4 as a stand alone film money wise at least if it was I would be more skeptical about a sequel because those are both extremely different but it isn’t its part of a very successful franchise and one of the best in it’s genre.

  78. @Matthew, you need to be fair. I’ve answered your questions but you’ve haven’t answered any of mine. You claimed there were OTHER FILMS in Scream 4?s predicament that were warranted a sequel. What other films?

    The other question was, What was in Scream 4, to you, that made it true to the franchise?

  79. @stephon irvin, Actually I answered all of your questions and you ignored the question I asked. Why isn’t it keeping in line with the rest of the franchise is the answer to that question. To your second question just recently after Halloween 2 took in 38 million worldwide. Domestic was 33 million yes it made its budget back right there not a ton more then its budget and it made 5 million foreign. Based off how movie studios market there films and how you’re saying scream 4 needed to make a lot more to be successful Halloween 2 would’ve had to make a lot lot more then that worldwide for it to be a success yes. Here we read that they green lit a Halloween 3. So you can’t count domestic and foreign revenue separately because it all counts as a whole and you can not say 38 million is better then 95 million and that theres no chance of another sequel. Scream 4 made all that domestically which says a lot now that Halloween 3 is being made.

  80. @matthew, You didn’t answer any of my questions but given me another question which I’ve answered. You’re absolutely mistaken about the movies granted a sequel based on revenue as a whole. And bringing up something I’ve brought up in my previous post H2 doesn’t count b/c it made it’s money back for it’s domestic region–which Scream 4 didn’t– and the home video sales did very well. So Halloween 3 was inevitable.

    Scream 4 didn’t keep in line with the franchise to me, which I did thought it was marginally better than 3, in how it handled Sidney. The first two films were all about her POV, the mistake she made by accusing an innocent man for murder, the journey to find herself and learn some harsh dark secrets about her troubled mother. Also a closure to some of her mistakes. Sidney should be the most important element in the films–when the story revolves around her it’s really good b/c she has obstacles to meet. Scream 3 and 4 was the Gale-Dewey mystery guest starring Sidney.

    Again I’ve answered another question which you haven’t. Unless monkeying off what I’ve previously written and serve it back at me is a real response.

  81. @stephon irvin, I knew you would say exactly that. So how is does 38 million cover all its expenses but 95 million doesn’t you even said it yourself you think its not enough and it still all counts together.

  82. @matthew, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say or prove. I’ve explained in my earlier post on Jun 24th how the movie revenue works. Just read it thoroughly and you’ll know why.

    I’m asking you two questions which you can’t seem to answer ESPECIALLY the one I thought you would like. What was in Scream 4, to you, that made it true to the franchise?

  83. @stephon irvin, I don’t think you do if you don’t think scream 4 made its budget back because it did I don’t know how many times I have to say that. What I’m saying is I don’t get how you think Halloween 2 getting a 38 million gross is better then scream 4 getting a 95 million gross. I think everything about scream 4 was on par with staying true to what the franchise is about even the feel and flow of the movie. Could some things have been better yes but every scream movie has its flaws.

  84. @matthew, Scream 4?s production budget was 40 million dollars to make, and as some may know that the Weinsteins make these films primarily for an american/ domestic audience. The film failed to break even on the domestic box office only grossing 38,146,273 based on estimates by Box Office mojo. Studio heads don’t normally green light sequels for a film when they didn’t make their money back. The film did quite well in the foreign market but the market itself is questionable since it’s success is based upon different translations of the film and those markets receive those profits first before the Weinsteins see a dime from that success. So as of this point they have a flop and to recoop they have to wait and see the results from domestic distributions, broadcast/cable companies who may want to telecast the film and the home video sales. In any case it has to be HUGELY desired before the Weinsteins can pull the trigger for a possible Scream 5. Something H2 has accomplished.

    As much as I disliked Rob Zombie’s Halloween and I never cared to see it’s sequel, the film’s prod. budget was 15 million dollars to make. The sequel ended up grossing, according to box office mojo, 33,392,973–a success for the Weinsteins since they make films primarily for domestic audiences and secondary for foreign markets where the film didn’t do so well at all. The fact that the sequel did so well at the box office and garnered a huge deal of money with home video sales in the United States it was only a matter of time the Weinsteins would greenlit a sequel.

    You wrote: I think everything about scream 4 was on par with staying true to what the franchise is about even the feel and flow of the movie.

    ****

    Like what for example?

  85. @stephon irvin, Yeah I know studios don’t green light sequels if they don’t make there budget back but it did. No they don’t get all of its foreign gross but they still get a lot. It made its budget back almost right there with its domestic gross but with the foreign gross it made 95 million obviously then yes they have some bills to pay. The dvd sales and other sales will only add to that. Halloween 2 want good and most people didn’t like how rob zombie made the first Halloween remake and Halloween 2 gross showed that big time. If he is connected to Halloween 3 in any way its going to do even worse then the previous movie. It still might anyway now seeing as a lot of people think that the first two remakes we’re horrible and who knows they may not care to see another one and no matter how you look at it 38 million total is nowhere near close to being better then 95 million total.

  86. i think that halloween 3d should pick up where resurrection left off to continue the storyline this is the best way to do this .

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